Greetings Bike Boarders:

Nice to see your progress on many fronts.

We need to contact the WVU SGA about a representative to the Pedestrian
Safety Board.  Can any one help?

Bill

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Morgantown WV 26506-9190
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>>> Frank Gmeindl <fgmeindl@verizon.net> 9/9/2008 5:20 PM >>>
Jonathan,

I added Figure 9C-2 in the attached.  Figure 9B-2 doesn't really add
much value.

I will send the attached to the TC secretary to distribute to the TC
tomorrow.

Frank

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:        Re: [Bikeboard] Parking Plan for City
Date:   Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:56:04 -0400
From:   Frank Gmeindl <fgmeindl@verizon.net>
To:     Jonathan Rosenbaum <freesource@cheat.org>
CC:     'Bicycle Board' <bikeboard@cheat.org>, Don Spencer
<dlspencer@adelphia.net>
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Jonathan,

Thank you!  That is perfect.  Can you include Figures 9C-2 and 9B-2?

Frank

Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote:
> Frank,
>
> The authoritative guidelines I have, as disclosed in early
> correspondences, are directly from the AASHTO and MUTCD and are
> attached to this message.
>
> The Bicycle Parking Committee's plan should be ready for the November

> 5th TC meeting.  There is a slight possibility we may have it out
> earlier, but it appears that everyone on our committee is
> substantially busy this month.  We will certainly attempt to get it
> out earlier if possible, and then seek approval from the BB by email.

>   After this email conversation with Don it has become clear to me
> what the nature of that plan should be, it certainly won't be the
> product(s) itself, that was something that wasn't clear to us, but
> rather it will be a description of the objectives we want implemented

> in the City, the methodology in which we hope to see those objectives

> realized and the desired outcome. (Light bulb thought: Franks
October
> 5, 2006 Bike Board Plan handout.)  Ironically, without realizing it I

> answered my own question, in that initial email I sent out, about how

> we can "explore the applicability of WVU's planning process" to this

> plan.  To be honest, we really didn't have a clear picture about how

> the two parts of the action item #38 fit together until this ensuing

> conversation.  Now we are on the right direction in the construction

> of a plan that will be acted on properly by the City!
>
> Don, other than January, are there other City budget planning periods

> in which we could introduce a budget item?
>
> -Jonathan
> "Just another trained monkey."
>
> Frank Gmeindl wrote:
>> Jonathan,
>>
>> My original request was for authoritative guidelines for trail
>> striping.  You had got pretty close to finding such.  What's the
best
>> you have?
>>
>> As you well recognize, any leeway we give non-cyclists to decide how

>> to control cyclists, the more chance there is for error.  Ideally,
we
>> would give the TC and BOPARC exact specifications (length, width,
>> spacing, color, location, material) tomorrow night and cite a
>> national authoritative source.  If we can't do that, what we give
>> them should at least be from a national authoritative source and not

>> compromise bicyclist safety on the trail.
>>
>> What will you bring?
>>
>> If I were to discuss parking in the Bicycle Board Report portion of

>> the TC agenda, I would only say that we are working on a plan.  Can

>> you give me a date for whe
n that plan will be ready to deliver to
the TC?
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Don Spencer wrote:
>>>
>>> Jonathan * I disagree with the idea of going to Tom Arnold
without
>>> our doing our homework fist. We cannot dump the problem on him and

>>> expect a positive response.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Remember the old outhouse saying? *No job is ever finished until
the
>>> paperwork is done!*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe that we need to do our work as a Bicycle Board first.
>>> That*s what I understand that we are here for.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps we need to recruit more members for the Parking Committee
to
>>> help on this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From:* bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org
>>> [mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan
Rosenbaum
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 08, 2008 1:58 PM
>>> *To:* 'Bicycle Board'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Bikeboard] Parking Plan for City
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don, this is good to hear, and it makes valid sense that someone
>>> from the Parking Authority could be that person we are looking for.

>>> Someone who would not only address Bicycle Parking on City
>>> proprieties, but who would also address Bicycle Parking Facilities

>>> on all potential City properties.
>>>
>>> At this point I am fed up with creating plans, it seems like it is

>>> the only thing I spend my time doing these days.  Plans mean
>>> absolutely nothing if they aren't acted on.  Two years ago, the
>>> Bicycle Board presented a comprehensive plan to the TC, how much
>>> mileage have we gotten out of that?
>>>
>>> The Bicycle Parking Committee has amassed a huge amount of
>>> information on Bicycle Parking Standards and we would be happy to
>>> present that again to the BB as we have done in the past.  This is

>>> the same information that was presented to WVU including some
>>> information which overlaps what we presented to the High Schools.

>>> We have already spent substantial amount time collecting and
>>> becoming experts in this area, including follow-up meetings to
>>> solidify this knowledge.  Now time is running low, if you want to
>>> see a budget item by this January, we need to act now, we can't
just
>>> endlessly (and mindlessly) keep running this by the BB at meetings.

>>> What is our vision for Bicycle Parking in Morgantown?  It's the
same
>>> vision that is the founding statement of the Bike Board.
>>>
>>> So let's get into contact with the Parking Authority now (today or

>>> tomorrow) and find out what their commitment level would be.   If

>>> they aren't interested let's find out who else the City could offer

>>> via the TC or City Council.  Otherwise, this is just going to drag

>>> on and on and nothing will ever be accomplished.  What do people on

>>> the Bicycle Board think about going this route?
>>>
>>> -Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>> Don Spencer wrote:
>>>
>>> Jonathan - I believe that we already have someone that we can work
with and
>>> that is Tom Arnold from the Parking Authority. Nearly two years ago
he
>>> expressed a willingness to work with us in generating parking
centers in the
>>> Parking Garage, but we were not able to follow-up on his
willingness at that
>>> time.
>>>
>>> I believe that the first cut on all parking planning needs to be
the Parking
>>> Authority. Once we have something that is acceptable, then we can
go to the
>>> Traffic Commission and ask for their support in presenting whatever
we need
>>> to communicate or request to the City Manager and the City
Council.
>>>
>>> Before we go to Tom again, however, we need to have a draft
comprehensive
>>> parking vision and plan that the Bicycle Board has reviewed.
Hopefully Hugh
>>> Kierig will be able to dialog with us in putting a preliminary
plan
>>> together.
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org
<mailto:bikeboard-bounces@che
at.org>
[mailto:bikeboard-bounces@cheat.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jonathan Rosenbaum
>>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:43 AM
>>> To: Bicycle Board
>>> Subject: Re: [Bikeboard] Trail stripe
>>>
>>> I plan to be there, thanks on this Frank.  Mark must be a
telephone
>>> person because he never responded to an email I sent him last
month.  In
>>> relation to that, I have another item I'd like to bring up to the
TC,
>>> and I would hope this is a fairly obvious one to the BB, and that I
have
>>> your (BB) support.  There will be a lengthy explanation (because I
enjoy
>>> wasting lots of time saying the obvious), but please read it all if
you
>>> can.
>>>
>>> When developing a  strategy to get the City/County to act,
>>> "communication with collaboration" is the most important ingredient
to
>>> reach a successful outcome.  In some areas I've been working on
that
>>> strategy has been well demonstrated.  With the Campus Connector
project
>>> of the WVU Committee from the very beginning many key players have
been
>>> involved which include the Assistant City Manager (paid employee)
and
>>> several City Council people.  Even more importantly, Jim Hunt
(paid
>>> Director of Sunnyside Up) has been actively involved in the
funding
>>> aspects and fully supports the connector because Sunnyside Up will
be a
>>> beneficiary.  Meanwhile, WVU Facilities & Services has the WVU
property
>>> side covered and have done their own independent studies.  The only
real
>>> obstacle to the success of the CC are some unresolved property
issues on
>>> the City side of the connector.  However, there has been no lack
of
>>> communication or collaboration in this pursuit, nor will the
connector
>>> be built in a haphazard way because there are too many eyes
watching the
>>> process.  Significantly, there are paid people involved, so there
is a
>>> high degree of accountability involved in doing it right and
actually
>>> getting it done.
>>>
>>> At a prior BB meeting, it was asked how can the City copy what WVU
did
>>> with Bicycle Parking?  In the case of the WVU Committee's work with
WVU
>>> this April/May, a paid employee, the Campus Planner, listened to
our
>>> recommendations which included APBP  standards developed from
countless
>>> hours of research that establish proper rack standards, proper
sizing,
>>> spacing and placement specifications, other recommendations
included
>>> examples from other Cities and Campuses, recommendations about
different
>>> types of parking and applications in relation to long and short
term
>>> parking, security/sheltered parking, planning for future expansion
of
>>> parking, and the list goes on.  He listened to us and determined
what
>>> could be accomplished in the first phase given the present budget.
Then
>>> he went out and did a study of all locations that met the
specifications
>>> we presented to him in relation to the budget, and then he brought
back
>>> that study for our input.  That same process was repeated over
again a
>>> second time so that we could provide secondary feedback for a
finalized
>>> study.  This study was then presented to the campus facilities and
>>> grounds budget committee for approval.  Again, there was no lack
of
>>> communication or collaboration in this process.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, with the Bicycle Parking Committee of the BB,
which
>>> has a great group of volunteers, the one important thing that has
been
>>> lacking is a close relationship between our committee and a
dedicated
>>> employee from within the City similar to the Campus Planner from
WVU.
>>> One who could listen to our recommendations and work closely with
us
>>> from the ground floor up to put together a comprehensive budget
item for
>>> the City this January (discussed during the August BB meeting).
The
>>> advantages of such a relationship are obvious, first of all this
>>> employee will become intimately knowledgeable about what
recommendations
>>> the Bicycle Board wants implemented,
 second of all, this employee
will
>>> be accountable to the City to get it right through a process of
>>> communication and feedback with the BB.   Asking volunteers to put
>>> together a budget item without having a City employee working with
them
>>> who is an expert on City property and budget details is not a
productive
>>> process and will greatly limit our success.   I would really hate
to see
>>> the City get bicycle parking wrong because it would be an
incredible
>>> waste of time, the facilities wouldn't be used, and it would send
a
>>> terrible message to citizens.  If anything - given the City's
commitment
>>> to reducing traffic congestion - if the City really wants to send
a
>>> powerful, positive message out to the citizens of Morgantown, they
will
>>> authorize existing employees to spend part of their paid hours
working
>>> closely with committees like the BB to provide compelling
alternatives
>>> to the common way most people travel in this town.  In the case of
>>> bicycle parking, if you do get it right, it sends out a message to
>>> citizens that the City fully supports and encourages people to
commute
>>> by bicycle.  The better those bicycle parking facilities are, the
>>> stronger the message sent out.  Proper bicycle parking facilities
>>> provide an impressive kind of PR and will get many people out on
their
>>> bicycles.  Ofcourse, painting stripes incorrectly on the
rail-trail,
>>> including in a multi-million area whose charm is linked heavily to
the
>>> rail-trail is the worst kind of PR imaginable.  I would hope the
City
>>> has learned their lesson from this and will now work much closer
with us.
>>>
>>> In review, I want to ask the TC to request that the City authorize
a
>>> City employee who is knowledgeable in City property and budget
details
>>> to work closely with the Bicycle Board's Parking Committee to
realize a
>>> Bicycle Parking budget item for this January 2009's City Budget
that
>>> would include facilities on City properties including the City's
parking
>>> garages.  The expectations and reasoning for such a collaborative
>>> employee are discussed above.
>>>
>>> Versione completata.
>>>
>>> -Jonathan
>>>
>>> Frank Gmeindl wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bicycle Board Members,
>>>>
>>>> At yesterday's Bicycle Board meeting, I took an action item to
call Mark
>>>> Wise, BOPARC Director, to find out why the trail striping
committee that
>>>> he told us at our July meeting he would form hasn't met yet.  I
called
>>>> Mark today to tell him that I was aware that the committee has yet
to
>>>> organize and meet.  I also asked him for a timeline or at least a
target
>>>> date for doing something with the current rail trail stripe
situation so
>>>> that I could inform the Traffic Commission at next Wednesday's
meeting.
>>>> He said that he will attend the meeting and ask for a member of
the
>>>> Traffic Commission to join the committee that he said he's going
to form.
>>>>
>>>> Since Don Spencer and Jonathan Rosenbaum volunteered at our July
meeting
>>>> to join Mark's committee, I would like to encourage them to attend
next
>>>> Wednesday's Traffic Commission meeting.  It begins at 6:30 pm and
is in
>>>> Council Chambers.
>>>>
>>>> When we originally recommended the stripe and the Keep Right signs
to
>>>> the Traffic Commission, they spent a lot of time developing
>>>> specifications for where the stripe would be applied as well as
the
>>>> stripe's size, shape and color.  Unfortunately, none of that was
>>>> captured in the minutes and we all know what we got.
>>>>
>>>> If all the right people are at the Traffic Commission meeting next

>>>> Wednesday, it is possible that the corrective action can be
decided
>>>> right then and there instead of dragging out through numerous
meetings.
>>>> It would probably also be tremendously helpful if someone came
with some
>>>> authoritative guidelines for trail striping.
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
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