Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
I like #1.
But I will say that I still have a little "problem" with the whole "without Fear" and cycling "fearlessly". I know that it's our "slogan" or whatever, but it's never really sat that well w/ me. I wish I could think of a better world or phrase that describes it better. I cycle very confidently and some would say I'm fearless, but I am not, and I'm not sure we want folks be fearless. One needs to have a little fear so that one takes note of things and makes sure that things are controllable, within your power to overcome, etc. Being fearful is bad. Is being fearless the opposite? Fear less. Sorry to bring it up, but w/ it so prominent on the card I couldn't help myself.
Nice job on the card, I knew Gary would produce a good one.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I like #1.
But I will say that I still have a little "problem" with the whole "without Fear" and cycling "fearlessly". I know that it's our "slogan" or whatever, but it's never really sat that well w/ me. I wish I could think of a better world or phrase that describes it better. I cycle very confidently and some would say I'm fearless, but I am not, and I'm not sure we want folks be fearless. One needs to have a little fear so that one takes note of things and makes sure that things are controllable, within your power to overcome, etc. Being fearful is bad. Is being fearless the opposite? Fear less. Sorry to bring it up, but w/ it so prominent on the card I couldn't help myself.
Thank you for raising this issue before we have 1,000 cards! The card says, "...without fear", not fearlessly. I understand and somewhat agree with your point about "fearlessly". I also know that "fearless" means "without fear" but I think, and this is just my opinion which I'm willing to change to the BB's consensus, is that "without fear" does not connote the "carelessness" that seems to me to be associated with "fearless".
I actually expected someone to object to my wording "without fear" rather than "fearlessly" as contained in our vision statement. One reason I chose to put "Learn to Ride without Fear" is that based on my interviews with people and reading, fear is the most frequent reason people give for not riding bikes. Sure, sometimes their first answer is, "no place to ride safely" or "no bike lanes" but when I pry into what they mean, we usually get to, "I'm afraid of getting hit by a car".
The main reason I felt compelled to put "Learn to Ride without Fear" on the card below "Confident City Cycling" is that someone once said to me that they didn't know what Confident City Cycling was. I guess I could say, "Learn to Ride with Confidence" or, "Confident City Cycling: a Bicycling Education Program". What do others think? We can change it.
Nice job on the card, I knew Gary would produce a good one.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
I got the fearlessly from the website and our "vision" statement.
Yes, now is a good time for some discussion on this. I agree w/ you, know what we're trying to say, just wish it was a better phrase.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I like #1.
But I will say that I still have a little "problem" with the whole "without Fear" and cycling "fearlessly". I know that it's our "slogan" or whatever, but it's never really sat that well w/ me. I wish I could think of a better world or phrase that describes it better. I cycle very confidently and some would say I'm fearless, but I am not, and I'm not sure we want folks be fearless. One needs to have a little fear so that one takes note of things and makes sure that things are controllable, within your power to overcome, etc. Being fearful is bad. Is being fearless the opposite? Fear less. Sorry to bring it up, but w/ it so prominent on the card I couldn't help myself.
Thank you for raising this issue before we have 1,000 cards! The card says, "...without fear", not fearlessly. I understand and somewhat agree with your point about "fearlessly". I also know that "fearless" means "without fear" but I think, and this is just my opinion which I'm willing to change to the BB's consensus, is that "without fear" does not connote the "carelessness" that seems to me to be associated with "fearless". I actually expected someone to object to my wording "without fear" rather than "fearlessly" as contained in our vision statement. One reason I chose to put "Learn to Ride without Fear" is that based on my interviews with people and reading, fear is the most frequent reason people give for not riding bikes. Sure, sometimes their first answer is, "no place to ride safely" or "no bike lanes" but when I pry into what they mean, we usually get to, "I'm afraid of getting hit by a car". The main reason I felt compelled to put "Learn to Ride without Fear" on the card below "Confident City Cycling" is that someone once said to me that they didn't know what Confident City Cycling was. I guess I could say, "Learn to Ride with Confidence" or, "Confident City Cycling: a Bicycling Education Program". What do others think? We can change it.
Nice job on the card, I knew Gary would produce a good one.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bikeboard mailing list
Bikeboard@cheat.org
I agree that fear is an important barrier, but would rather state the positive But I'm not sure of the appropriate positive words. I'd ;like to see some more suggestions.
Paul
Paul Becker, ScD. Extension Professor WVU Extension Service West Virginia University
Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net 10/19/2010 2:39 PM >>>
On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Gunnar Shogren wrote:
I like #1.
But I will say that I still have a little "problem" with the whole "without Fear" and cycling "fearlessly". I know that it's our "slogan" or whatever, but it's never really sat that well w/ me. I wish I could think of a better world or phrase that describes it better. I cycle very confidently and some would say I'm fearless, but I am not, and I'm not sure we want folks be fearless. One needs to have a little fear so that one takes note of things and makes sure that things are controllable, within your power to overcome, etc. Being fearful is bad. Is being fearless the opposite? Fear less. Sorry to bring it up, but w/ it so prominent on the card I couldn't help myself.
Thank you for raising this issue before we have 1,000 cards! The card says, "...without fear", not fearlessly. I understand and somewhat agree with your point about "fearlessly". I also know that "fearless" means "without fear" but I think, and this is just my opinion which I'm willing to change to the BB's consensus, is that "without fear" does not connote the "carelessness" that seems to me to be associated with "fearless".
I actually expected someone to object to my wording "without fear" rather than "fearlessly" as contained in our vision statement. One reason I chose to put "Learn to Ride without Fear" is that based on my interviews with people and reading, fear is the most frequent reason people give for not riding bikes. Sure, sometimes their first answer is, "no place to ride safely" or "no bike lanes" but when I pry into what they mean, we usually get to, "I'm afraid of getting hit by a car".
The main reason I felt compelled to put "Learn to Ride without Fear" on the card below "Confident City Cycling" is that someone once said to me that they didn't know what Confident City Cycling was. I guess I could say, "Learn to Ride with Confidence" or, "Confident City Cycling: a Bicycling Education Program". What do others think? We can change it.
Nice job on the card, I knew Gary would produce a good one.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
_______________________________________________
Bikeboard mailing list
Bikeboard@cheat.org
Bicycle Board Members,
The winning card design is #3. With 10 votes in, designs #1 & #2 were tied with 3 votes and design #3 got 4 votes.
Now, what should the tag line say? I think the discussion was excellent. Following are the offerings in chronological order. I was hoping the discussion would continue until we converged on consensus.
Confident City Cycling - • Learn to Ride without Fear • Ride with Confidence • Learn to Ride with Confidence • Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents • Tame Parental Fears
If nobody continues the discussion on these by next Tuesday, I will ask for a vote on them.
Frank
Begin forwarded message:
From: Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Date: October 19, 2010 12:27:14 PM EDT To: Bicycle Board bikeboard@cheat.org Cc: Gary Rodosta grodosta@comcast.net Subject: Another election!
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bicycle Board Members,
Well, there hasn't been any more discussion on the tag line for the Confident City Cycling business card so it's time to vote.
You get two votes. You can give them both to one of the choices below or distribute your votes to two of the following.
A. Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents B. Learn to Ride with Confidence C. Tame Parental Fears D. Learn to Ride without Fear E. Ride with Confidence
Please reply with your votes. For example, if you want to give both of your votes to C, please reply "2 for C". Another example, if you want to distribute your 2 votes to B and D, reply "1 for B and 1 for D".
The polls close 5:00 pm Thursday, October 28.
Frank
Begin forwarded message:
From: Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Date: October 21, 2010 7:31:31 PM EDT To: Morgantown Bike Board bikeboard@cheat.org Cc: Gary Rodosta grodosta@comcast.net Subject: Fwd: Another election!
Bicycle Board Members,
The winning card design is #3. With 10 votes in, designs #1 & #2 were tied with 3 votes and design #3 got 4 votes.
Now, what should the tag line say? I think the discussion was excellent. Following are the offerings in chronological order. I was hoping the discussion would continue until we converged on consensus.
Confident City Cycling - • Learn to Ride without Fear • Ride with Confidence • Learn to Ride with Confidence • Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents • Tame Parental Fears
If nobody continues the discussion on these by next Tuesday, I will ask for a vote on them.
Frank
Begin forwarded message:
From: Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Date: October 19, 2010 12:27:14 PM EDT To: Bicycle Board bikeboard@cheat.org Cc: Gary Rodosta grodosta@comcast.net Subject: Another election!
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bicycle Board Members,
With 7 members voting, the winning tag line is B. Learn to Ride with Confidence.
By copy of this message, I ask Gary to finalize the card design using design #3 and the tag line Learn to Ride with Confidence.
Following was the final vote tally:
0 for A. Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents 6 for B. Learn to Ride with Confidence 2 for C. Tame Parental Fears 3 for D. Learn to Ride without Fear 3 for E. Ride with Confidence
Frank Gmeindl Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
Begin forwarded message:
From: Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl@
Date: October 25, 2010 8:35:42 PM EDT To: Morgantown Bike Board bikeboard@cheat.org Subject: Fwd: Another election!
Bicycle Board Members,
Well, there hasn't been any more discussion on the tag line for the Confident City Cycling business card so it's time to vote.
You get two votes. You can give them both to one of the choices below or distribute your votes to two of the following.
A. Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents B. Learn to Ride with Confidence C. Tame Parental Fears D. Learn to Ride without Fear E. Ride with Confidence
Please reply with your votes. For example, if you want to give both of your votes to C, please reply "2 for C". Another example, if you want to distribute your 2 votes to B and D, reply "1 for B and 1 for D".
The polls close 5:00 pm Thursday, October 28.
Frank
Begin forwarded message:
From: Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Date: October 21, 2010 7:31:31 PM EDT To: Morgantown Bike Board bikeboard@cheat.org Cc: Gary Rodosta grodosta@comcast.net Subject: Fwd: Another election!
Bicycle Board Members,
The winning card design is #3. With 10 votes in, designs #1 & #2 were tied with 3 votes and design #3 got 4 votes.
Now, what should the tag line say? I think the discussion was excellent. Following are the offerings in chronological order. I was hoping the discussion would continue until we converged on consensus.
Confident City Cycling - • Learn to Ride without Fear • Ride with Confidence • Learn to Ride with Confidence • Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents • Tame Parental Fears
If nobody continues the discussion on these by next Tuesday, I will ask for a vote on them.
Frank
Begin forwarded message:
From: Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Date: October 19, 2010 12:27:14 PM EDT To: Bicycle Board bikeboard@cheat.org Cc: Gary Rodosta grodosta@comcast.net Subject: Another election!
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Oh crap! I forgot to vote, unless you considered my suggestion of B to be my vote! Well it won anyway, or because, or something. I think.
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members, With 7 members voting, the winning tag line is B. Learn to Ride with Confidence. By copy of this message, I ask Gary to finalize the card design using design #3 and the tag line Learn to Ride with Confidence. Following was the final vote tally: 0 for A. Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents 6 for B. Learn to Ride with Confidence 2 for C. Tame Parental Fears 3 for D. Learn to Ride without Fear 3 for E. Ride with Confidence Frank Gmeindl Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
Begin forwarded message:
From: Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl@
Date: October 25, 2010 8:35:42 PM EDT To: Morgantown Bike Board bikeboard@cheat.org Subject: Fwd: Another election!
Bicycle Board Members, Well, there hasn't been any more discussion on the tag line for the Confident City Cycling business card so it's time to vote. You get two votes. You can give them both to one of the choices below or distribute your votes to two of the following. A. Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents B. Learn to Ride with Confidence C. Tame Parental Fears D. Learn to Ride without Fear E. Ride with Confidence Please reply with your votes. For example, if you want to give both of your votes to C, please reply "2 for C". Another example, if you want to distribute your 2 votes to B and D, reply "1 for B and 1 for D". The polls close 5:00 pm Thursday, October 28. Frank
Begin forwarded message:
From: Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Date: October 21, 2010 7:31:31 PM EDT To: Morgantown Bike Board bikeboard@cheat.org Cc: Gary Rodosta grodosta@comcast.net Subject: Fwd: Another election!
Bicycle Board Members,
The winning card design is #3. With 10 votes in, designs #1 & #2 were tied with 3 votes and design #3 got 4 votes.
Now, what should the tag line say? I think the discussion was excellent. Following are the offerings in chronological order. I was hoping the discussion would continue until we converged on consensus.
Confident City Cycling - • Learn to Ride without Fear • Ride with Confidence • Learn to Ride with Confidence • Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents • Tame Parental Fears
If nobody continues the discussion on these by next Tuesday, I will ask for a vote on them.
Frank
Begin forwarded message:
From: Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net
Date: October 19, 2010 12:27:14 PM EDT
To: Bicycle Board bikeboard@cheat.org
Cc: Gary Rodosta grodosta@comcast.net
Subject: Another election!
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
I propose that on the back side of the card we have something really helpful. Like- http://bikemorgantown.com/biketips.php
"Lose your Fear and Learn to Ride with Confidence"
I would have voted for that one! Can we have another election?
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Gunnar Shogren gshogren@gmail.com wrote:
Oh crap! I forgot to vote, unless you considered my suggestion of B to be my vote! Well it won anyway, or because, or something. I think.
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net wrote:
Bicycle Board Members, With 7 members voting, the winning tag line is B. Learn to Ride with Confidence. By copy of this message, I ask Gary to finalize the card design using design #3 and the tag line Learn to Ride with Confidence. Following was the final vote tally: 0 for A. Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents 6 for B. Learn to Ride with Confidence 2 for C. Tame Parental Fears 3 for D. Learn to Ride without Fear 3 for E. Ride with Confidence Frank Gmeindl Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles
Begin forwarded message:
From: Frank Gmeindl <frank.gmeindl@
Date: October 25, 2010 8:35:42 PM EDT To: Morgantown Bike Board bikeboard@cheat.org Subject: Fwd: Another election!
Bicycle Board Members, Well, there hasn't been any more discussion on the tag line for the Confident City Cycling business card so it's time to vote. You get two votes. You can give them both to one of the choices below or distribute your votes to two of the following. A. Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents B. Learn to Ride with Confidence C. Tame Parental Fears D. Learn to Ride without Fear E. Ride with Confidence Please reply with your votes. For example, if you want to give both of your votes to C, please reply "2 for C". Another example, if you want to distribute your 2 votes to B and D, reply "1 for B and 1 for D". The polls close 5:00 pm Thursday, October 28. Frank
Begin forwarded message:
From: Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net Date: October 21, 2010 7:31:31 PM EDT To: Morgantown Bike Board bikeboard@cheat.org Cc: Gary Rodosta grodosta@comcast.net Subject: Fwd: Another election!
Bicycle Board Members,
The winning card design is #3. With 10 votes in, designs #1 & #2 were tied with 3 votes and design #3 got 4 votes.
Now, what should the tag line say? I think the discussion was excellent. Following are the offerings in chronological order. I was hoping the discussion would continue until we converged on consensus.
Confident City Cycling - • Learn to Ride without Fear • Ride with Confidence • Learn to Ride with Confidence • Tame your fear with riding skills that reduce the risk of collisions or accidents • Tame Parental Fears
If nobody continues the discussion on these by next Tuesday, I will ask for a vote on them.
Frank
Begin forwarded message:
From: Frank Gmeindl frank.gmeindl@comcast.net
Date: October 19, 2010 12:27:14 PM EDT
To: Bicycle Board bikeboard@cheat.org
Cc: Gary Rodosta grodosta@comcast.net
Subject: Another election!
Bicycle Board Members,
Thanks again to Gary Rodosta for creating the attached options for Confident City Cycling business cards. There are 4 options in the attached file. Please vote for the one that you think would be best for making available at local bike shops and other venues at which to advertise our bicycling education program. Since number 4 is basically a black & white version, please just vote for 1, 2 or 3.
Based on your votes, I'll take the winner to the printer by the end of this week.
Frank
Bikeboard mailing list Bikeboard@cheat.org http://cheat.org/mailman/listinfo/bikeboard
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Paul Becker